If the Nintendo NX happens to fail, what do you think Nintendo will do or you hope they do?
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Either focus on just their handholds (I don't see them doing another console after if it fails) and/or become solely developer/publisher and start releasing their IP on things like PC, mobile and other consoles.
If the NX fails they'll probably give it another go with Consoles. I mean I can't see them giving up so easily.
If the NX does fail, what I hope they do is: abandon the gimmicks and just make a decently powered system on par with what the other consoles at the time can do and release theirs roughly when the new generation starts. This way it'd entice third party back onto the platform if nothing else. That would probably not make people jump immediately to buy the console, but if they're looking at all 3 and the NX's successor can't play 3rd party but the others can... It easily eliminates one option right away. I mean there are always gaps in the 1st party library. That's where 3rd party comes in handy... to help round out a roster. (That and if all your friends are getting Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare 4 on PS6... it's obvious which one an individual is more likely to go with.)
I would also hope they look at their release schedule and realize that they need more than a few great games a year. People do not buy consoles without a good stream of exclusive content. So if that means making more studios? So be it.
Also they should look at their franchises and see which ones they haven't used in a while. Tap into nostalgia and make some new games. Tell an alternate universe story like what if Samus failed at stopping the Metroid threat on Zebes. Or maybe a new Legend of Zelda from Zelda's perspective. (Or Impa or Linkle.) Maybe another Paper Mario RPG (go back to the roots of the series) where because Bowser used the star rod before it became corrupted and began filling the land with evil.
If the NX does fail, what I hope they do is: abandon the gimmicks and just make a decently powered system on par with what the other consoles at the time can do and release theirs roughly when the new generation starts. This way it'd entice third party back onto the platform if nothing else. That would probably not make people jump immediately to buy the console, but if they're looking at all 3 and the NX's successor can't play 3rd party but the others can... It easily eliminates one option right away. I mean there are always gaps in the 1st party library. That's where 3rd party comes in handy... to help round out a roster. (That and if all your friends are getting Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare 4 on PS6... it's obvious which one an individual is more likely to go with.)
I would also hope they look at their release schedule and realize that they need more than a few great games a year. People do not buy consoles without a good stream of exclusive content. So if that means making more studios? So be it.
Also they should look at their franchises and see which ones they haven't used in a while. Tap into nostalgia and make some new games. Tell an alternate universe story like what if Samus failed at stopping the Metroid threat on Zebes. Or maybe a new Legend of Zelda from Zelda's perspective. (Or Impa or Linkle.) Maybe another Paper Mario RPG (go back to the roots of the series) where because Bowser used the star rod before it became corrupted and began filling the land with evil.
You people say Nintendo should give up the gimmicks, but fail to realize that is what has kept them going which both Sony and Microsoft added the gimmicks to their own consoles later on in some form. They can release their consoles with the gimmicks and power but to do so would kill off their general gamer crowd for a possible small hardcore group. People do say Nintendo should power up but would any major Sony or MS fan leave or add for a third console to their gaming setup?
And they did finally bring back Star Fox to a less than happy crowd.
Yes, they brought back Star Fox... but they shoved in a very awkward control scheme centred around the gamepad. (Which, while playable, is harder than it needed to be.)
The gimmicks really haven't helped them for consoles. I mean:
- The N64's awkward controller certainly didn't make playing some games very easy.
- The Gamecube's mini discs limited the amount of storage on a disc. Which meant they either had to have multiple discs, up the compression or cut things down/out.
- Their 7th gen focus on motion controls came at just the right time to hook casuals, but that hasn't really carried over.
- Their 8th gen focus on the gamepad for asychronous gameplay really hasn't gone over well. (Poor marketing and slow drip of software haven't helped.)
Sure when they put a second screen on the Gameboy and made it a DS it worked. (Likely because the screens were so close it didn't take a huge amount of effort to view both. )
But the 3D on the 3DS? Can't say it's really had the same success. Seems like most people just use the slider to turn it off. The only reason people support the 3DS is because it has a decent library of games. (I mean the 3D alone didn't sell well. Remember how rocky a start the 3DS had? They had to drop the price very early on and give some early adopters free games to make up for it.)
Fact is there was a time... basically up to the 5th gen where games really were the core focus. The hardware was powerful in some ways, not overwhelmingly so. I mean the Playstation 1 had some advantages (increased storage capacity for one) while the N64 had much faster load times.
And the gameboy line, for the most part, was adding features and making them more powerful. (From black and white to limited colour palette to full colour.) Up until the DS of course.
As for Sony and Microsoft, true they have added gimmicks too. And that hasn't always gone well for them either. Xbox 1 had a lot of bad PR to recover from early on due to their TV-focused blunder. And then of course the Kinect. Sony made similar mistakes with the Move during the PS3's life. (Though on the plus for Sony and Microsoft, both Kinect and Move were bolted on afterwards so they could often be ignored if gamers didn't want them. Which is largely what happened.)
The gimmicks really haven't helped them for consoles. I mean:
- The N64's awkward controller certainly didn't make playing some games very easy.
- The Gamecube's mini discs limited the amount of storage on a disc. Which meant they either had to have multiple discs, up the compression or cut things down/out.
- Their 7th gen focus on motion controls came at just the right time to hook casuals, but that hasn't really carried over.
- Their 8th gen focus on the gamepad for asychronous gameplay really hasn't gone over well. (Poor marketing and slow drip of software haven't helped.)
Sure when they put a second screen on the Gameboy and made it a DS it worked. (Likely because the screens were so close it didn't take a huge amount of effort to view both. )
But the 3D on the 3DS? Can't say it's really had the same success. Seems like most people just use the slider to turn it off. The only reason people support the 3DS is because it has a decent library of games. (I mean the 3D alone didn't sell well. Remember how rocky a start the 3DS had? They had to drop the price very early on and give some early adopters free games to make up for it.)
Fact is there was a time... basically up to the 5th gen where games really were the core focus. The hardware was powerful in some ways, not overwhelmingly so. I mean the Playstation 1 had some advantages (increased storage capacity for one) while the N64 had much faster load times.
And the gameboy line, for the most part, was adding features and making them more powerful. (From black and white to limited colour palette to full colour.) Up until the DS of course.
As for Sony and Microsoft, true they have added gimmicks too. And that hasn't always gone well for them either. Xbox 1 had a lot of bad PR to recover from early on due to their TV-focused blunder. And then of course the Kinect. Sony made similar mistakes with the Move during the PS3's life. (Though on the plus for Sony and Microsoft, both Kinect and Move were bolted on afterwards so they could often be ignored if gamers didn't want them. Which is largely what happened.)
and what were some of those games exactly for N64?
I have no idea what Nintendo was thinking about their gamecube. I just know they must have used the mini discs in order to prevent themselves from paying money to Sony for use of the normal discs.
The Wii worked for a good while, may have lasted longer with more power.
The Wii U and 3DS both flopped due to poor advertising and no software support. Since Nintendo is releasing the NX in 2017 for the sole reason of bettering their game release schedule, they at least relearned that much.
And of course the 3D flopped, its not something a lot of people can handle due to a lot of eye problems in the world.
Sooner or later, game graphics and power will hit a wall and go no further, leaving the gimmicks to eventually sell consoles.
If the NX fails, Nintendo will probably layoff the under performing workers, and hire more experienced workers to design better games and consoles. The new workers will be more knowledgeable on what current gamers want when playing games.
I think Nintendo will still make consoles, but the consoles will use PC parts like DDR3 RAM, Intel CPU , and regular 3.5 inch hard drives and the new Nintendo console won't need to use custom parts which can cost a lot to design and manufacture.
I think Nintendo will still make consoles, but the consoles will use PC parts like DDR3 RAM, Intel CPU , and regular 3.5 inch hard drives and the new Nintendo console won't need to use custom parts which can cost a lot to design and manufacture.
I felt the Wii U was not a failure, it had some good games being released for it. The Wii U still manage to sell over 12 million consoles according to IGN , and the Wii U still have time to sell more consoles until they discontinue the Wii U in the future. 12 million consoles is still a lot of consoles.
I'm pretty sure compared to the Wii and other consoles, they all sold well over 100 million consoles. Nintendo might have broken even but in the end the console did poorly, not a complete loss but did poorly.
I think the Wii sold 101 million. The PS4 sold 40 million, and the Xbox One sold 19 million according to https://www.yahoo.com/news/things-aren-t-looking-good-xbox-one-ps4-132534631.html?ref=gs The PS3, Xbox 360, and Gameboy Advance sold less than 87 million consoles according to http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/
The PS2, PS1, DS, and Gameboy are the only consoles which sold more than the Wii.
I think there is still hope for the Wii U since Nintendo has a lot of good games series like Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Kirby, Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon which has a lot of fans. Nintendo releasing more games, and lower the price of the Wii U which could increase the popularity of the Wii U.
If it fails, they'll give it another go, as said above. If the console after the NX fails as well, then I could see them going third party and making games for other systems. Nintendo are stubborn, if anything.
Good points, but you think their coffers could support so many failures?
Yes. Remember reading somewhere that the company has enough money that they could basically stay solvent even if they lost money for about a decade straight.
Edit: Apparently, they could stay afloat even if they lost money for the next 38 years:
http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/
Edit: Apparently, they could stay afloat even if they lost money for the next 38 years:
http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/
I believe that, Nintendo has been going a long time and seems to invest their money. Then again they could make a very powerful system, take a loss by selling it at their usual console selling price.
I agree Nintendo could make a very powerful system, and sell it at a reasonable price.
But, I feel it would be a better idea to make more mature games like first person shooters, Action RPG like Fable, Open world games like Grand Theft Auto, and Simulation games because many of Nintendo's fans are now getting older, and may want to play more mature games instead of games which are for Teens, and kids.
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I have hopes because Kimishima is in charge and he has a lot of experience with the western market. Honestly we can't know until we see the NX. Personally my hopes aren't high, but there are hopes they have learned. As someone said earlier, since Nintendo have pushed it back to 2017 because they want to make sure they have a good launch line up - it's a good sign they've learned some things.
I'm going to buy it anyway, because they are the only ones trying to offer something different than the boring "better graphics" upgrade the others are. Plus Nintendo's been in the business the longest and I'll always prefer playing a Nintendo IP.
I think they've learned somethings, and I have hopes in Kimishima's direction. It's going to be a surprise that's for sure, either way.
Anyway, if it does fail, I don't think it's the end of Nintendo's console making business.
I'm going to buy it anyway, because they are the only ones trying to offer something different than the boring "better graphics" upgrade the others are. Plus Nintendo's been in the business the longest and I'll always prefer playing a Nintendo IP.
I think they've learned somethings, and I have hopes in Kimishima's direction. It's going to be a surprise that's for sure, either way.
Anyway, if it does fail, I don't think it's the end of Nintendo's console making business.
While I'm sure as gamers, we all have a soft spot for Nintendo, and bone of us want to see the NX fail when it eventually hits the shelves, but in recent years Nintendo haven't had that much luck in producing a console to compete with what Sony and Microsoft are doing.
I'd even argue that since the SBES, Nintendo consoles have Bern on the downward curve, and while the Wii U night have sold a lot of units, in the great scheme if things I'd still be surprised if Nintendo didn't lose money on it. Now it's alright saying that it doesn't matter because they have already made enough to carry on for the becmxt however many years it was regardless, I'd imagine those in power at Nintendo aren't going to carry on losing money with one device after another.
I'd even argue that since the SBES, Nintendo consoles have Bern on the downward curve, and while the Wii U night have sold a lot of units, in the great scheme if things I'd still be surprised if Nintendo didn't lose money on it. Now it's alright saying that it doesn't matter because they have already made enough to carry on for the becmxt however many years it was regardless, I'd imagine those in power at Nintendo aren't going to carry on losing money with one device after another.