Are compilation cartridges safe to use with 3Ds?
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kunino-sagiri
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They are illegal, so one would assume they will end up bricking your 3DS.
I am not so sure about this. But if I were you, I wouldn't try it unless someone has tried it with their 3DS, updated its system and the 3DS is still fine then you might want to try it. But still I wouldn't want to try it because if I did and it brick my system, it would be terrible...
Moreover "Personalized compilation cartridges" doesn't seem legal to me...
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Yea, that's what I thought, it sounded kind of weird to me. I posted the question on Nintendo.com, lets see what ppl say there. Don't really want to play around with stuff., i feel the same as you, bricking my system would be HOrrible,
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The cartridges sound illegal, like those old 'fifty in one carts' sold for the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance. Will they destroy the system? Likely not, they'd just act much like other 'games' would, it's just that they'd be awful quality content wise, have technical issues in likely huge numbers and well, be illegal. Just avoid them.
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These cartridges are illegal - there's no question about it.
They involve unauthorised copying of the game data, and so are therefore illegal
They involve unauthorised copying of the game data, and so are therefore illegal
If I have DS or PSP and play them in my home country, I can save lots of money cause most of the stores let you download the games by paying some cash. This is absolutely wrong but because my country still has weak law and regulation, that stuff is still happening till now.
My friend who knew that I bought 3DS told me that you can download games and save more money (buy memory card and put all the games inside it). They were saying how stupid I am to buy games from the shop... but I told them that it is illegal in Australia xD...
So here is what the responds from Nintendo was:
"... Regarding game compilation cards, those would be illegal. As for whether their use would cause problems, for obvious reasons we do not discuss product security details, nor can we discuss the details of countermeasures available in the Nintendo 3DS system. ...."
So I guess that means we have to wait till someone tries it and gets the update in May. But from what I have been reading on this, there are alot of countries that strictly forbid the company from rendering the sold device useless/bricking it. While these laws all vary in their details, unless Nintendo is going to give separate updates for the different region (but even that wouldn't work, since European laws all vary), they will get into legal trouble doing anything drastic to an owners 3Ds. Sony is trying to win a case like this and seems to be loosing. There were many more cases, like the famous Apple case, which they lost as well. Maximum i think that could happen is that the IOS gets deleted, looking from a legal standpoint, since the software laws are different again. But then again that is worst case scenario
"... Regarding game compilation cards, those would be illegal. As for whether their use would cause problems, for obvious reasons we do not discuss product security details, nor can we discuss the details of countermeasures available in the Nintendo 3DS system. ...."
So I guess that means we have to wait till someone tries it and gets the update in May. But from what I have been reading on this, there are alot of countries that strictly forbid the company from rendering the sold device useless/bricking it. While these laws all vary in their details, unless Nintendo is going to give separate updates for the different region (but even that wouldn't work, since European laws all vary), they will get into legal trouble doing anything drastic to an owners 3Ds. Sony is trying to win a case like this and seems to be loosing. There were many more cases, like the famous Apple case, which they lost as well. Maximum i think that could happen is that the IOS gets deleted, looking from a legal standpoint, since the software laws are different again. But then again that is worst case scenario
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You mean this one?
Anyway, Nintendo rendering the system useless would only be illegal if done without prior warning. There are plenty enough disclaimers in the manual and on the box about what will happen if you use illegal software, so what would happen would be perfectly legal.
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Yeah that one.. that was foreseeable that they would come to an agreement. Sony wasnt going to get him into a Cali court no matter how hard they tried. N in New Yersey the biggest laws they were trying to protect them self with didn mean anythign .
About the illegal thing, I read quiet a bit and there were some veery convincing arguments, where ppl even posted legal documents to explain how in England for example it is most definitely illegal for Nintendo to do anything that makes the Nintedo product unusable. Apple and Sony both tried to do something similar and the UK said no with out even blinking. But then someone pointed out as well, that the warnings that say in the US "Unauthorized... (blah blah blah)... WILL render your device unplayable", these say in Europe "...MAY render you device unplayable" like they did on the Wii... So either way we will have to wait for someone to try and (maybe) sacrifice their 3Ds for the greater good.
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Yeah that one.. that was foreseeable that they would come to an agreement. Sony wasnt going to get him into a Cali court no matter how hard they tried. N in New Yersey the biggest laws they were trying to protect them self with didn mean anythign .
About the illegal thing, I read quiet a bit and there were some veery convincing arguments, where ppl even posted legal documents to explain how in England for example it is most definitely illegal for Nintendo to do anything that makes the Nintedo product unusable. Apple and Sony both tried to do something similar and the UK said no with out even blinking. But then someone pointed out as well, that the warnings that say in the US "Unauthorized... (blah blah blah)... WILL render your device unplayable", these say in Europe "...MAY render you device unplayable" like they did on the Wii... So either way we will have to wait for someone to try and (maybe) sacrifice their 3Ds for the greater good.
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I think that was me, if you were looking here.
I think the bricking from nintendo is just a scare tactic, even if they had a log with every usage of our cartiage that was inserted to the 3DS, the log itself is invasion of privacy. But then again, im not gonna risk it. I'll wait till one person has the 3DS bricked. hahaha
Till now what is known is that there is a whitelist of games that are allowed to work (used with the country code as well).. the ppl that used r4s n stuff like that hacked into the whitelist to do so. So it anyways doesn't seem like it is as easy as copy paste insert and play
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It's not really. You agree to it all when you buy it. Just like you agree not to fiddle around with the hardware and software of the console.
They say something different over here because it's illegal to render the product unusable? Interesting.
I wonder if I could try a hack of the 3DS when I buy it, wait until the console is unusable, then take them to court or something over it. Nah, that'd be too shady a tactic, the kind of thing Tim Langdell would try.
I wonder if I could try a hack of the 3DS when I buy it, wait until the console is unusable, then take them to court or something over it. Nah, that'd be too shady a tactic, the kind of thing Tim Langdell would try.
I have an Acekard working on my 3DS...i'll update on any damages..okay? I'll be updating in may. So far the first update didn't do a thing..Seeing how these games/cards mask themselves as other games..it should be fine. Sorry, Nin for posting this kind of stuff..I'm just sure some of you wanted an answer.
EDIT:I'm almost 100% sure it's a scare tactic..if they were brave enough to brick consoles by update..they'd have done it already..also these cards don't tamper with internal data and are read as other games. If Nintendo would attempt this and mess up..there'd be mass game bricking world wide. lol think about it. If a game is inserted the wrong way and the system reads it wrong "game brick". Yeah...they can afford that.
EDIT:I'm almost 100% sure it's a scare tactic..if they were brave enough to brick consoles by update..they'd have done it already..also these cards don't tamper with internal data and are read as other games. If Nintendo would attempt this and mess up..there'd be mass game bricking world wide. lol think about it. If a game is inserted the wrong way and the system reads it wrong "game brick". Yeah...they can afford that.
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But a game can't be inserted the wrong way into the system, at least not wiothout a hammer...
And i have heard of people's systems actually geting bricked, but that may only be those that have fiddled aound with the internal software.
And i have heard of people's systems actually geting bricked, but that may only be those that have fiddled aound with the internal software.
I mean if the system reads the cartridge wrong which is totally possible. No 3DS had been bricked...none at all, provide me with proof and i'll believe you.