Red or Ash!?

Poll Poll Who is a cooler, stronger Pok'emon Trainer?

  • Red

    Votes: 10 90.9%

  • Ash Ketchum

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Total voters
    11
Red. He's my favorite player character for one, and he's a lot better than Ash can ever hope. I know Ash in the anime loses to prove a point, but Red is the champion. He is unbeatable. Unless you play Gold/Sliver/Crystal/Heart Gold, Soul Silver so much that you beat him. I know I didn't.
 
I did beat red in the 2g games and their remakes, but Red is without a doubt the better trainer. He is the champion, and he is the master.
 
Most would say Red, but they're both the same character to me.
 
TrAINerReD-SaGe said:
Yeah, he's epic. And I need to start watching the pok'emon anime again.... And I need to find the old shows to see Red and Ash battle! Any ideas where I can find it?
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Red and Ash are not in the same universe and therefore could never battle. But if you want to watch Pokemon, you can always check out the official Pokemon website. They have 10 or so episodes of each region a week and then every Friday move forward 5 or so episodes. http://www.pokemon.com/us/tv-episodes/pokemon-episodes/

In regards to the question: as phrased, the only answer is Red. Ash is fun, but not cooler or stronger.
 
or you can go to anime44.com and search pokemon they have all the episodes there
 
I go with Red on this one too. His silence and lack of expression totally solidify his manliness.
...mmm.

Lololol.
 
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The Brother Theory
AshandRed.png

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Why is Satoshi/Ash so inept compared to Red?[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]It is a gross misconception that they are intended to be the same character in different incarnations. In fact, Red and Ash are brothers. Red is older by a couple of years - so he started his Pokemon journey around the time of the game’s release, and Ash is the younger brother who started his journey around the time of the Anime’s release.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Where Red took down all of Team Rocket, the most influential crime syndicate in his country, Ash has a constant rivalry with two completely inept members of the organization that don't apparently take any part in the real endeavors of Team Rocket.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Red is a Pokemon Master. He defeated the Elite Four, even uncovering a lot of their double standards as Team Rocket members.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Ash has not defeated one league yet.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The reason for Ash’s incompetence is that he has some learning difficulties/mental retardation. However, he looks up to Red completely and is living his life trying to be just like his big brother and idol.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]This is why Gary/Green has no interest in Ash whatsoever. He had his fight with Red, and now occasionally meets Ash along his journey, essentially to check up on him.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]This is why Brock and Misty, two Gym Leaders, who have an important job to do in their own towns abandoned their posts to travel with Ash. Red had told them about his brother, and they recognized him, and traveled with him to look out for him and keep him relatively out of trouble when Red couldn’t.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Once Red became a Pokemon Master, he went missing. It wasn’t until three years later that he was found up Mt. Silver.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]After Red's defeat on Mt. Silver, he sent Pikachu back to Pallet Town to be with Ash. Pikachu didn’t like it, but knew Red was concerned about his brother.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]That’s why Pikachu is so wildly overpowered, despite having no obvious training from Ash. Pikachu of course becomes attached to his new ‘trainer’ and wants to protect him.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Essentially, Red paved the whole way for his simple minded brother, becoming a champion along the way. Most, if not all, the other characters that knew both brothers were playing their part to take care of Ash.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Along with this:[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Red is a spirit[/background][/font]
RedinJohto.png

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Red died some time after the events of Red and Blue. The reason he appears in the most high (apparently) peak of Kanto-Johto is because he wants to cross over to the heavens, but his spirit doesn't want to depart Earth yet because he has to battle the main character in G/S/C in order to feel complete. He feeds on the spirits/souls of lost persons and challangers and will part when, again, the main character beats him. That's the reason of why he doesn't talk. [/background][/font]
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Both of those are just theories by some guy, but sounds true to me.

Source: http://jiggmin.com/threads/58477-Pokemon-Conspiracy-Theories
 
Fillfall said:
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The Brother Theory
AshandRed.png

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Why is Satoshi/Ash so inept compared to Red?[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]It is a gross misconception that they are intended to be the same character in different incarnations. In fact, Red and Ash are brothers. Red is older by a couple of years - so he started his Pokemon journey around the time of the game’s release, and Ash is the younger brother who started his journey around the time of the Anime’s release.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Where Red took down all of Team Rocket, the most influential crime syndicate in his country, Ash has a constant rivalry with two completely inept members of the organization that don't apparently take any part in the real endeavors of Team Rocket.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Red is a Pokemon Master. He defeated the Elite Four, even uncovering a lot of their double standards as Team Rocket members.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Ash has not defeated one league yet.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]The reason for Ash’s incompetence is that he has some learning difficulties/mental retardation. However, he looks up to Red completely and is living his life trying to be just like his big brother and idol.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]This is why Gary/Green has no interest in Ash whatsoever. He had his fight with Red, and now occasionally meets Ash along his journey, essentially to check up on him.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]This is why Brock and Misty, two Gym Leaders, who have an important job to do in their own towns abandoned their posts to travel with Ash. Red had told them about his brother, and they recognized him, and traveled with him to look out for him and keep him relatively out of trouble when Red couldn’t.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Once Red became a Pokemon Master, he went missing. It wasn’t until three years later that he was found up Mt. Silver.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]After Red's defeat on Mt. Silver, he sent Pikachu back to Pallet Town to be with Ash. Pikachu didn’t like it, but knew Red was concerned about his brother.[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]That’s why Pikachu is so wildly overpowered, despite having no obvious training from Ash. Pikachu of course becomes attached to his new ‘trainer’ and wants to protect him.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Essentially, Red paved the whole way for his simple minded brother, becoming a champion along the way. Most, if not all, the other characters that knew both brothers were playing their part to take care of Ash.[/background][/font]

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Along with this:[/background][/font]
[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Red is a spirit[/background][/font]
RedinJohto.png

[font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][background=rgb(250,250,250)]Red died some time after the events of Red and Blue. The reason he appears in the most high (apparently) peak of Kanto-Johto is because he wants to cross over to the heavens, but his spirit doesn't want to depart Earth yet because he has to battle the main character in G/S/C in order to feel complete. He feeds on the spirits/souls of lost persons and challangers and will part when, again, the main character beats him. That's the reason of why he doesn't talk. [/background][/font]
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Both of those are just theories by some guy, but sounds true to me.

Source: http://jiggmin.com/t...piracy-Theories
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The brothers thing is a really interesting concept. However as cool as it is, there's one main plot hole. Team Rocket isn't really broken up in the anime. Like you see no other memebers besides Cassidy and Biff. Yet no one cares about Cassidy and Boris as much as Jessie and James. Also Giovanni is still in command, we see that in the anime. Well we saw it. I don't know much after the first two seasons regions, but I figure he's still kickin'.

The ghost thing sounds pretty cool, but I don't know about that...

Also I know his name is Butch. I just like making references.
 
I love the theories people come up with about Pokemon, and that brothers theory is pretty interesting...
 
Ash is cooler, because that's who I grew up watching win and lose battles, we've all watched Ash get stronger to become the champion and he's trained a lot of Pokemon. It's interesting to see him risk his life just to save his Pokemon. He has made me laugh and tear up as a child and I don't think Red's personality would have made me do that. Red seems more like an antagonist than a protagonist. It's all about Ketchum.
Red is also from Pallet town, but the only person I saw running out of his house and towards the Pokemon Centre is Ash. In the anime, that is.
 
RED is the better trainer and if they are brothers then Ash was obviously born way too early and a bit mental lol
 
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