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Oblivion Knight said:
I checked yesterday and my compatibility was fine except for not having TPM - though it seemed unusual given how new my PC build is.. :flushed:

After reading this thread I decided to check the BIOS, and lo and behold it was disabled. I've set my PC upgrading to Windows 11 now, I'll let you know what I think of it.


(You don't have to wait for Windows Update - use an ISO Download tool that grabs the necessary genuine files from Microsoft's servers)
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I heard they’re letting any PC upgrade now but they’re unsure about giving updates to certain PCs.
 
Fait said:
I heard they’re letting any PC upgrade now but they’re unsure about giving updates to certain PCs.
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That sounds messy.
 
Demon_Skeith said:
That sounds messy.
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it definitely is. I'm concerned about upgrading my computer to it, It's only a 2015 model and with technology slowing down over the last 6 years that's not classed as old anymore it still does everything I need it to like a brand new system.

So I'm not sure why they're so strict with the requirements.
 
Fait said:
it definitely is. I'm concerned about upgrading my computer to it, It's only a 2015 model and with technology slowing down over the last 6 years that's not classed as old anymore it still does everything I need it to like a brand new system.

So I'm not sure why they're so strict with the requirements.
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They're trying to focus on security, which comes at the expense of consumers. TPM 2.0’s do a lot.
 
Grungie said:
They're trying to focus on security, which comes at the expense of consumers. TPM 2.0’s do a lot.
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I’m not sure if my system comes with that chip all I know it’s a gaming machine that was built in 2015 but still games and does the job well.
 
I updated my work PC and am loving the rounded edges to everything. I even like the icons being centered now on the task bar. Makes it feel more like a Mac. I haven't discovered any bugs yet.
 
Sharon said:
I updated my work PC and am loving the rounded edges to everything. I even like the icons being centered now on the task bar. Makes it feel more like a Mac. I haven't discovered any bugs yet.
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My hardware isn’t officially supported but I might give it ago soon enough, but that sounds amazing :grin:
 
Sharon said:
I updated my work PC and am loving the rounded edges to everything. I even like the icons being centered now on the task bar. Makes it feel more like a Mac. I haven't discovered any bugs yet.
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Is it your PC or your workplace's PC? If the latter, I'm surpised they are upgrading.
 
Demon_Skeith said:
how does a online thing affect a PC program?
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The PC program may need a web connection which uses a online certificate to connect to a web server to work or download or stream a file like how some PC games like online multiplayer games and streaming games like Google Stadia games require users to be online to work.

I feel Microsoft maybe collecting online information, and the PC program is programmed to not work if the online certificate expires which causes problems with online data collection.
 
It's my work laptop (I work remotely) they're not very strict with our equipment. I generally get by with the ask for forgiveness rather than permission for most things.
 
Sharon said:
It's my work laptop (I work remotely) they're not very strict with our equipment. I generally get by with the ask for forgiveness rather than permission for most things.
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I can get behind that :p

Grungie said:
www.zdnet.com

Microsoft just fixed the Windows 11 problem caused by an expired digital certificate

Microsoft tests a fix for an expired digital certificate that busted built-in Windows 11 apps.
www.zdnet.com www.zdnet.com

This explains it better. Certs do a lot of different things.
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thanks :)
 
Read on Win 11's SSD issue from sammobile and extremetech:

Microsoft’s latest operating system, Windows 11, seems to be causing severe NVMe SSD performance losses, as reported by a number of PC users on several support threads. Various SSD models from different brands are affected by this problem. Samsung’s NVMe drives aren’t excluded, and this appears to be true for both PCIe Gen 4 and Gen 3 SSDs.


A Microsoft forum user going by the name PleasedPen25317 shared a couple of CrystalDiskMark benchmarks for the Samsung 980 Pro SSD, and the results — seen in the image gallery below — speak for themselves. There’s a massive performance loss in random write speeds, and interestingly enough, PleasedPen25317 found that the issue affects NVMe drives and partitions that have Windows 11 installed, regardless of whether or not said Windows installation is loaded.


A Samsung 970 Evo Plus user reports via reddit that random write speeds in benchmarks are roughly halved in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10. The 980 Pro isn’t the only Samsung drive affected. Other reports (via Neowin) reveal that different NVMe drives/brands can exhibit other issues, such as reduced input/output operations per second.

This problem isn’t entirely new, interestingly enough. It has been brought to light by Windows 11 beta testers since before the public release of the OS, but it seemingly persists. Another reddit user posted similar performance losses in the AS SSD benchmark using the Samsung 980 NVMe drive in Windows 11 roughly three months ago (via XDA-Developers). Because this problem seemingly affects NVMe SSD models from different brands, a fix is most likely out of Samsung’s reach, and customers will probably have to wait for Microsoft to address it.

Microsoft has figured out what is causing this issue, as revealed in a blog post, noting it will be resolved in Windows Preview build KB5007262. Instead of the issue being related to Windows drivers, it’s due to the enabling of the USN journal on the C:/ drive, which keeps track of changes made to the drive and is always enabled. According to Microsoft, the fix “Addresses an issue that affects the performance of all disks (NVMe, SSD, hardisk) on Windows 11 by performing unnecessary actions each time a write operation occurs.” This would explain why some users were seeing it on their primary drive, but not on secondary volumes. It’s not clear what is causing these “unnecessary actions,” but thankfully it’ll be patched soon. Microsoft notes there will only be security updates this moth as opposed to bug fixes like this, so we expect this to roll out sometime in January of 2022.
 
cm2 said:
Read on Win 11's SSD issue from sammobile and extremetech:

Microsoft’s latest operating system, Windows 11, seems to be causing severe NVMe SSD performance losses, as reported by a number of PC users on several support threads. Various SSD models from different brands are affected by this problem. Samsung’s NVMe drives aren’t excluded, and this appears to be true for both PCIe Gen 4 and Gen 3 SSDs.


A Microsoft forum user going by the name PleasedPen25317 shared a couple of CrystalDiskMark benchmarks for the Samsung 980 Pro SSD, and the results — seen in the image gallery below — speak for themselves. There’s a massive performance loss in random write speeds, and interestingly enough, PleasedPen25317 found that the issue affects NVMe drives and partitions that have Windows 11 installed, regardless of whether or not said Windows installation is loaded.


A Samsung 970 Evo Plus user reports via reddit that random write speeds in benchmarks are roughly halved in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10. The 980 Pro isn’t the only Samsung drive affected. Other reports (via Neowin) reveal that different NVMe drives/brands can exhibit other issues, such as reduced input/output operations per second.

This problem isn’t entirely new, interestingly enough. It has been brought to light by Windows 11 beta testers since before the public release of the OS, but it seemingly persists. Another reddit user posted similar performance losses in the AS SSD benchmark using the Samsung 980 NVMe drive in Windows 11 roughly three months ago (via XDA-Developers). Because this problem seemingly affects NVMe SSD models from different brands, a fix is most likely out of Samsung’s reach, and customers will probably have to wait for Microsoft to address it.

Microsoft has figured out what is causing this issue, as revealed in a blog post, noting it will be resolved in Windows Preview build KB5007262. Instead of the issue being related to Windows drivers, it’s due to the enabling of the USN journal on the C:/ drive, which keeps track of changes made to the drive and is always enabled. According to Microsoft, the fix “Addresses an issue that affects the performance of all disks (NVMe, SSD, hardisk) on Windows 11 by performing unnecessary actions each time a write operation occurs.” This would explain why some users were seeing it on their primary drive, but not on secondary volumes. It’s not clear what is causing these “unnecessary actions,” but thankfully it’ll be patched soon. Microsoft notes there will only be security updates this moth as opposed to bug fixes like this, so we expect this to roll out sometime in January of 2022.
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That’s why I’m waiting it out I kinda figured there be issues.
 
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That's unfortunate that folks are experiencing issues. I haven't encountered any yet. I'm pretty good about staying on top of updates so maybe the bugs are being worked out before I even have a chance to experience them.
 
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