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Looking for your thoughts on a few things, such as the theory of infinite universes?

The fact that your experience of consciousness and reality may not be the same as someone elses?

Even that we may not all see colors the same?

These are the things I think about.
 
Looking for your thoughts on a few things, such as the theory of infinite universes?

The fact that your experience of consciousness and reality may not be the same as someone elses?

Even that we may not all see colors the same?

These are the things I think about.


There is no such thing as a theory of infinite universes. hypothesis, maybe ;) Theory = proven hypothesis. Hypothesis = educated guess (in simplest terms). but to answer what I assume you are asking, I often wonder the same. I wonder if time is straight and narrow or a split infinity.

what really makes me wonder about re-incarnation and stuff like that is when I was really young i had a dream several times over a few years. always with me in a classroom of the same kids. Eventually I made it to Junior High in real life and lo and behold; in a class of those same kids from my dream. It is something I well on and wonder about. I can't chalk that up to coincidence and I wonder if / why it is so significant that I had the dream over 3 times several years before meeting them all.

I don't get the color part of your post though. What does colorblindness and similar have to do with the philosophical questions posed before it?
 
I wonder if wrong is truly right or if perfection is ever achievable. And do the good times equal the bad or does that really even matter. Are there clones of ourselves in real life or is it all our imagination. What is the purpose of living? Is everyone's purpose the same? Is writing things down for a future generation even worth it if no one pays attention? Is the internet a fad? (Sorry, I seem to have misunderstood the topic when I read it.)
 
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I wonder if wrong is truly right or if perfection is ever achievable. And do the good times equal the bad or does that really even matter. Are there clones of ourselves in real life or is it all our imagination. What is the purpose of living? Is everyone's purpose the same? Is writing things down for a future generation even worth it if no one pays attention? Is the internet a fad? (Sorry, I seem to have misunderstood the topic when I read it.)


No, you got the topic right, I believe. It was supposed to be a place for people to post their philosophical and scientific thoughts, I think.
 
Looking for your thoughts on a few things, such as the theory of infinite universes?

The fact that your experience of consciousness and reality may not be the same as someone elses?

Even that we may not all see colors the same?

These are the things I think about.


There is no such thing as a theory of infinite universes. hypothesis, maybe ;) Theory = proven hypothesis. Hypothesis = educated guess (in simplest terms). but to answer what I assume you are asking, I often wonder the same. I wonder if time is straight and narrow or a split infinity.

what really makes me wonder about re-incarnation and stuff like that is when I was really young i had a dream several times over a few years. always with me in a classroom of the same kids. Eventually I made it to Junior High in real life and lo and behold; in a class of those same kids from my dream. It is something I well on and wonder about. I can't chalk that up to coincidence and I wonder if / why it is so significant that I had the dream over 3 times several years before meeting them all.

I don't get the color part of your post though. What does colorblindness and similar have to do with the philosophical questions posed before it?





We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...
 
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i think the idea of a multiverse is pretty interesting... it can be mind-boggling to think about sometimes, but i do read about it occasionally (for example, a book i'd love to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Worlds_(book)). i also love fiction stories that involve time travel or resetting time to change something, although i mostly see that described in fantasy and fiction, for probably a good reason :) haha.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.



That still makes absolutely no sense to me. then again, I'm probably being too literal since I take colors very seriously as an art major.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.



That still makes absolutely no sense to me. then again, I'm probably being too literal since I take colors very seriously as an art major.



Picture this. There is a crayon in front of you. It is red.

Now you and I switch bodies, minds, eyes, whatever decides how you perceive things... You look back down at the crayon and it is (what you, in your mind see as) blue. You examine it closer, and you see that it is labeled "red". This would be how I see red. We can both see it differently, but we both still identify that specific color as red, because that is what we were taught.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.



That still makes absolutely no sense to me. then again, I'm probably being too literal since I take colors very seriously as an art major.



Picture this. There is a crayon in front of you. It is red.

Now you and I switch bodies, minds, eyes, whatever decides how you perceive things... You look back down at the crayon and it is (what you, in your mind see as) blue. You examine it closer, and you see that it is labeled "red". This would be how I see red. We can both see it differently, but we both still identify that specific color as red, because that is what we were taught.



Again, that is impossible. that would imply that every time someone mentions how the sky is blue, the grass is green, the water is blue, and so on and so forth that NO ONE who experiences that has ever gone "The sky is red, what are you talking about?"

the entire world uses "blue" for the color of water and the sky. the word "blue" gets translated into different languages, yes, but is always the same word in essence and used to describe the same things. no one has ever confused the sky and blood colors so we ALL know Blue = the sky and Red = blood. if someone ever existed who saw the opposites they would go "um, don't you mean red like the sky or blue like blood?"

I mean, i see where you are going with the concept but color is the one area where this wouldn't work at all.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.



That still makes absolutely no sense to me. then again, I'm probably being too literal since I take colors very seriously as an art major.



Picture this. There is a crayon in front of you. It is red.

Now you and I switch bodies, minds, eyes, whatever decides how you perceive things... You look back down at the crayon and it is (what you, in your mind see as) blue. You examine it closer, and you see that it is labeled "red". This would be how I see red. We can both see it differently, but we both still identify that specific color as red, because that is what we were taught.



Again, that is impossible. that would imply that every time someone mentions how the sky is blue, the grass is green, the water is blue, and so on and so forth that NO ONE who experiences that has ever gone "The sky is red, what are you talking about?"

the entire world uses "blue" for the color of water and the sky. the word "blue" gets translated into different languages, yes, but is always the same word in essence and used to describe the same things. no one has ever confused the sky and blood colors so we ALL know Blue = the sky and Red = blood. if someone ever existed who saw the opposites they would go "um, don't you mean red like the sky or blue like blood?"

I mean, i see where you are going with the concept but color is the one area where this wouldn't work at all.



You still aren't understanding where I'm going at all.

I'll use what you did. Water and blood... We both know blood is red and water is blue. I'm not saying there's someone saying "oh water is red!" What I'm saying is you see what YOU know as blue, and someone else sees water as what YOU know as red, however, you were both taught that the color you are seeing is blue, and therefore, can identify it as the same.
 
We may all perceive colors differently. What I mean is: the way I perceive red could be how you perceive yellow.

We are all taught the labels of colors, so we can all recognize what one color means; that doesn't necessarily mean that we all see colors in the same way.

Like what if everyone's favorite color is the same they just see it differently, like say mine is blue, and yours is red; we could be seeing the same hue, but were taught different labels for them. If any of that makes sense to you...



No, that makes absolutely zero sense to me. If you and i are seeing the same thing but with different labels then they are different, by your example. if i see blue and we both were taught what blue is, then if you see anything else other than blue it is colorblindness in some form and nothing else. colors are a global standard, so they can't be the same hue with different labels for them, as you put it.



That isn't what I meant at all..

Imagine it is like this picture, and this is the easiest way to explain it. This has nothing to do with color blindness. We would both be seeing blue, but with a different experience.



That still makes absolutely no sense to me. then again, I'm probably being too literal since I take colors very seriously as an art major.



Picture this. There is a crayon in front of you. It is red.

Now you and I switch bodies, minds, eyes, whatever decides how you perceive things... You look back down at the crayon and it is (what you, in your mind see as) blue. You examine it closer, and you see that it is labeled "red". This would be how I see red. We can both see it differently, but we both still identify that specific color as red, because that is what we were taught.



Again, that is impossible. that would imply that every time someone mentions how the sky is blue, the grass is green, the water is blue, and so on and so forth that NO ONE who experiences that has ever gone "The sky is red, what are you talking about?"

the entire world uses "blue" for the color of water and the sky. the word "blue" gets translated into different languages, yes, but is always the same word in essence and used to describe the same things. no one has ever confused the sky and blood colors so we ALL know Blue = the sky and Red = blood. if someone ever existed who saw the opposites they would go "um, don't you mean red like the sky or blue like blood?"

I mean, i see where you are going with the concept but color is the one area where this wouldn't work at all.



You still aren't understanding where I'm going at all.

I'll use what you did. Water and blood... We both know blood is red and water is blue. I'm not saying there's someone saying "oh water is red!" What I'm saying is you see what YOU know as blue, and someone else sees water as what YOU know as red, however, you were both taught that the color you are seeing is blue, and therefore, can identify it as the same.



I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't make sense when you consider how modern medical science has transplanted eyes onto many people. We would have had someone say something about their replacement eye showing a different color than the original sees.

Smoke showed me the article you are pulling all of this from with the scientists and i honestly can't figure out how they get funded for that. Like i said - eye transplants happen often - we would have heard of this and seen it proven by now. we'll use the example of red and blue again. I lose an eye and get a replacement from a donor. now my left sees blue and my right sees red when i look at water with one eye shut. purple with both open - that is how it would work. someone would have said something about it by now if it existed. The cone cells are in the eye not the brain and they are what depict the color we see (like how my right eye sees reds a bit brighter than my left when i close one eye).

Which brings me to another point - people would be born with mis-matched eye color depictions as described in the example i gave about transplants. We would have heard of this by now as well.
 
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The eye interprets the light and sends impulses to the brain. The brain then uses those impulses to "label" each "color". These "colors" are man made labels. The hypothesis is that we could all be interpreting colors differently. We all see the same wavelength of light, the color could be interpreted differently in the brain. What we are all taught is blue could look different to every single person. Having a new eye shouldn't change that, unless it is somehow worse at interpreting wavelengths, in which case it wouldn't be used as a donor eye.

It all comes down to what our brains interpret. While we all agree this is BLUE, the color will be interpreted differently in other minds. Say I magically jumped into somebody else's brain and accepted their interpretation of BLUE. It may look like this: BLUE or BLUE or BLUE and all other colors would be different as well to accept that person's interpretation of the nerve impulses they receive from their eye when it views light.

Again, we all agree what wavelength blue is, it's our brain that interprets that wavelength and gives it a "color" and it is our human ability to give that color a name or label.
 
Refer to what benoit posted, because that is the best representation I've seen. Thanks for the help.

Also, I didn't know that this was being scientifically tested. I thought it was just something only I thought about.
 
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So basically you're asking if there are people who call the color blue red, and the color red blue? I mean there are people like that, but normally we don't see those people as being very smart... Unless you have case of Liar Liar syndrome and you're trying to say the blue pen is red because you can't stop telling the truth, but other than that, blue is blue and red is red.
 
Rea up on the article that he is getting all of this from, Benoit - it states scientists have proven colors are seen from the cone cell in the eye - and that the brain registering them is a common misconception. With that said, everything you said is completely incorrect; which is why I said what I did before.

anyway, we've gotten WAY off topic, so I'll quote bloodhound Gang with:

"If I am a God and do not believe in myself, is it blasphemy?"
 
I would also like to see this article, because I didn't know this was a thing.
 
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