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What love? For me, hummm no... since I don't believe in it.

& no, I mean, more often than not, these children have a broken home or divorced
parents.

So I'm very pesssimistic about
White-Asian marriages
(just as an example, could very well be Asian-Black, White-Black or whatever).
 
That is not isolated to race, rather than the people themselves, and the reasons they stupidly get married.

I know that it isn't possible to domesticate a player, so you know what? I'm not going to even bother with trying.

I know that it isn't possible to turn a hoe into a housewife, so you know what? I'm not even going to bother with trying.

I am not going to marry someone who beats me, thinking that they are just worried about losing me, and that they will be different after we marry.

But that is not to say that other people will do the same and that is why the divorce rate is what it is.

There are many reasons why people divorce an break up, and like I told you on FP, it isn't fair or right that you try and pin it on White men/people or interracial marriages themselves.
 
Sanaki said:
Well, as you know, I actually think any White-Asian relationship isn't right. I'm quite against intercultural marriages myself (not of racist racist reasons) as
life would not be easy for both sides: either White husband/Asian wife, White wife, Asian husband. & a child born in such
family would have a harder life & even
and unstable one.
Now we get to the bottom of it.

You think white-white, black-black, asian-asian should be the only relationships because otherwise the offspring will have a harder life being mixed race. The only reason children will have a hard life being mixed race is if there are idiots in their life that make it hard. Yet you feel adults of different races shouldn't make life together just incase that happens.

And may be you don't believe in love because you haven't been in love.

You say you don't agree with white men having a fetish for Asian women, yet you have just made it clear that your only interest would be in Asian men and no other. You focus and set your sites on only one race of man just like the white men you are talking about, regardless of whether you are Asian yourself.
 
GamerPerfection said:
Now we get to the bottom of it.
 
You think white-white, black-black, asian-asian should be the only relationships because otherwise the offspring will have a harder life being mixed race. The only reason children will have a hard life being mixed race is if there are idiots in their life that make it hard. Yet you feel adults of different races shouldn't make life together just incase that happens.
 
And may be you don't believe in love because you haven't been in love.
 
You say you don't agree with white men having a fetish for Asian women, yet you have just made it clear that your only interest would be in Asian men and no other. You focus and set your sites on only one race of man just like the white men you are talking about, regardless of whether you are Asian yourself.
Yes and shouldn't I? & it's my personal choice: because I don't like White guys (or not into them). & I don't have a fetish for Asian men, since I'd be attracted to my own race, & you said so yourself: not to men from any other race than my own. & anyways, why is it any of your
business what kinda men I'm into? Why do you care so much about it?

I'd be even be against me having an
attraction to White men, or Black men
for instance.


& Yes I don't agree with Whites having relationships with Asians or Blacks being with Asians or etc because life would be harder for both partners.

Why should I go through such trouble in life? & be with a man who's less likely to understand my culture, me & my family
than an Asian male?
Why would I want someone who doesn't even speak/understand my language? that's askin for trouble, no?
 
Sanaki said:
why is it any of your business what kinda men I'm into? Why do you care so much about it?
I don't care, but you're the one that brought up the whole subject about the type of men that have shown attraction to you because you are Asian. If you don't want your life being discussed or analysed then don't bring up a topic involving your life on a fierce debates public forum.

If you believe that a male and female of different colour being together in a relationship will mean life will be hard for them then you clearly know nothing about life itself.
 
Oh yeah you do, since you clearly are bothered by it & have argued with me about it(otherwise you wouldn't have said a thing about it) & even told me to "stop talking about it..." & they happen to be well, mainly White guys... so what now? I can't talk about what
I feel about White males being attracted to me without offending you? Unless you thought I was racist against White men...? Which I'm not, just pointing out
the fact that men who find me beautiful & pretty are Whites & I'm asking why,
I'm curious as to why.
&
You said I shouldn't because you think
it's racist? Unless you have other reasons for "flipping out on me over this..."


I never mean it as a "race issue", it was you who jumped into conclusions &
accused me of doing so, based on your
own wrong assumptions about what I said.

I was only making an observation about men who are attracted to me. If it was Black/Arab/Jews men who liked me, I'd have said so too & said the same about their creepiness. But I can't they're Asians, because they're mostly White males, so yeah.

Here's why I think so:
Because both partners would have more difficulty understanding each other...
& might take it the wrong way when it's meant to be light joking & bantering, so nothing serious.
E.G: One partner says something light asto the other & the other took it
wrongly. & this is why I think inter-
racial dating/relationships/marriages
wouldn't work. Lack of understanding &
prejudices on both part.

& If you have a gf from another race (or have tastes in Asian women) & you're a White guy, then I'm sorry I said that (& I didn't mean to mock you & I didn't mean to come off as rude), I'd understand
why this might offend you, but yeah.

& I just dunno why you took it the wrong
way & thought I was "picking on White men"... when I clearly was only stating facts of my life. & if it were Jews, Arabs, or Blacks who were obsessed with me,
I'd have said the same thing about their
creepiness towards me. So don't you falsely accuse me of picking on White guys only,when I'm just saying raw facts.

& Yes, a man from any race can have a preference for an Asian woman, but it's the "fetish behaviour" towards me from them that bothers me.

& yes, I'm highly conservative about
mixed race relationships & I disagree
with most of you who think a man & a
woman from different cultures/ethnicities can be together without hardships/ordeals.

Another piece of advice for you: learn to debate with others' views without
getting offended at everything they say or throwing a fit about others' divergin PoVs on things, cause you can't make
them agree with you by calling them
names or by being inconsiderate towards
them.
 
Sanaki, I think GP is just pointing out that you are doing the same exact thing that you are accusing White men of.
 
Skin color is irrelevant here.
 
And both partners would only have an issue with understanding each other if neither put forth an honest effort into communicating.
 
Communicating works when one person talks, and the other listens, and they each take turns with talking and listening and have a better understanding of each other as a result.
 
It seems like your reasons for being against interracial marriages and relationships stems from communication issues.
 
Communication issues are not isolated to race, if you were to date only Asian men, and you eventually end up married to one, I can pretty much guarantee that you will have communication issues there too.
 
That said, when prejudices are cast aside, your mind will open, and communication becomes more effective.
 
If you love the person, and you truly want things to work out between you, then you will make every effort to communicate with that person and to understand them when they are communicating with you.
 
In your scenario regarding the jokes, if you find something funny that they don't, or don't get, then the onus is on you to explain it to them, in the same way that they would explain something to you that do not understand. You can, in turn, explain why you didn't find it funny or didn't get it.
 
It is when that happens, that you will get a better understanding of each other and how you both think.
 
For example, when I dated my ex who was White, there were a lot of things that he didn't understand at first, and he had some prejudices of his own at first as well. But it was through me communicating with him, that he was able to shed his prejudices in lieu of being educated and having a better understanding of the subject of his former prejudice.
 
Such as, why I relax my hair. At first, he thought that the reason Black women relax (straighten) their hair and wear hair extensions,(weaves) was because they subconsciously resent themselves and their appearance, and want to be White.
 
I pretty much set him straight on that, by telling him that natural hair is a lot of maintenance, and many Black women simply do not have the time to do everything that it takes to maintain a natural style on a daily basis, and so, many women prefer to relax their hair because it makes their hair easier to manage.

I told him that while I won't speak for other Black women, that the reason I straighten my hair has a lot to do with that, in addition to the fact that my hair is extremely thick, even by African-American standards, because of the fact that I am also part Native American, and so, my hair is thick because of that. I wouldn't be able to wear my hair natural because it would get tangled and damn near impossible to detangle, and as a result of doing this on a daily basis, it would sustain a lot of damage and break off.

I told him that if/when my hair breaks off too much, then I would have to put my hair in a protective style (such as a weave) and give my hair a break, will giving it a chance to grow out. I told him that my decision to relax my hair and wear weaves on occasion, has nothing to do with me wanting to be White. 
 
Another example was when he asked me why Black women seem to be so angry or bitter in general.
 
I told him that Black women aren't angry, they are just very guarded, distrustful and have to be strong in general. I explained to him that Black women have to deal with a daily reminder that they are not considered beautiful, not from what someone says, but rather, because of how they are treated not only by some men in their community, but also in the media. According to the media, Black people are shown in only 2 shades, even though we come in many more shades than that, and a lot of the time we are portrayed as hoodrats, or other negative stereotypes, unless they pick the beauty queen types to play a love interest, or lead character in a movie. Adding to that, is when you have some Black men who idolize women of other races, and even those who are light skinned, while putting their own women down. This is one of the major things that creates the division in the Black Community. 
 
The beauty industry is no different, especially since, the Black women they use, are not even American, they come from other countries, even though they market their products toward Americans. Many Black women take this to heart, and while most use their strength to fight through this, some weaker minded individuals will resort to plastic surgery and even skin bleaching to make themselves look more like light-skinned or even White people. When you add the issues within the Black Community, such as the single parent epidemic, and issues where men are concerned such as some who just want to be thugs, always being incarcerated and being the largest contributer to the spread of AIDS among Blacks, many weaker minded women, believing that a thug is the best they can do for themselves, stay with these men, and even resorting to promiscuous behavior to keep him if he threatens to leave her for a woman of another race, and oftentimes this results in her own harm. This is why so many women end up being infected with HIV/AIDS. 
 
The ones who seem to have a good head on their shoulders, and wanting to be successful usually want nothing to do with Black women, even if they are successful themselves, because they associate anything that reminds themselves of who they are as negative, is the reason why many Black women are guarded. From birth, many are not wanted, and they live their entire lives as adults believing that, because they are constantly reminded of this, and while other races with defend their own women if attacked, there are a lot of Black men who would look the other way or join in attacking Black women. This is why they are so guarded and usually protect themselves with a coat of armor, because when the chips are down, they are usually standing by themselves.
 
This is an ugly cycle because on the off-chance that she does come across a good guy, Black or not, she will remain guarded, and won't trust him at first, because she has already been conditioned to do so, and will push him away (self-sabotage.) This will leave the good guy feeling as though she is mean and bitter, and will leave, if he takes it personally. This will devastate her, for the simple fact that she can't unlearn her conditioning any more than a soldier who has been in combat for a long time can unlearn their training, This is why it takes a strong, and stubborn (perseverance) man, to love a Black woman. Because it is though perseverance, that he can begin to chip away at the armor that she has been carrying around since birth. This is also why Black women are usually stereotyped as being strong.. even though, we are vulnerable, but have a very thick armor.
 
Anyway, after I explained all of this to him, he had a better understanding of Black women, as well as why he was wrong in his thoughts, and he was able to shed any prejudices he once had. It is only through the fact that he cared enough to listen to, and understand what I was saying, and that I cared enough to explain why he was wrong, that an effective communication took place.
 
Now, if you don't communicate your feelings, and the other person doesn't care enough to listen, then communication, and the relationship itself is doomed for failure. A relationship is, daily maintenance of a connection to another person, using a series of communications on a daily basis.
 
The secret to maintaining a healthy relationship or marriage has more to do with love, respect, trust and communication than it does race.  You can't have a relationship without communication, you can't have communication without respect, and you can't have respect without trust, and you can't have trust without respect, and without these, you can't have love.
 
These things are not exclusive to race.
 
Yes right on spot, BA! & Yes, I have trouble with White guys
because I don't think they can understand me, my feelings
well, what I want to express to them (afraid they might take it the wrong way & judge me for it).

& You all seem to ignore the fact that I don't want a guy from another race & if they're creepy towards me, I'll not be willing to date one or to get close to one if I think they like me because of an obsession. & said man is highly unlikely to get close to me & to listen to my feelings because of his obsession with Asian girls. & this is why I won't go interracial for relationships. & Because I
don't know the man from another culture enough to understand him, be he White, Black, Indian or whatever else. & It
would require too much effort from me
to understand him. & if he doesn't make
the same effort as me for our fictitiouscouple, well, I won't find the relationship worth it. & If I'm not to go out my way to understand him (guy from another culture/society), then it's going to
waste his time as well. So why bother in the first place?

Or he will not care enough about what
I think & need & will do whatever he
wants to me.
 
I am not ignoring anything. You have a right to be with whomever you choose.

Just don't go around pinning your personal insecurities and problems on another race as if they are the sole reason you have them, when it all comes down to the fact that you, and you alone, are the reason you have them.

You won't get the understanding of another person that you say you don't have if you go around in life with your blinders on and your mind closed.

You can't say "I don't understand people of another race" if you live your live being close minded to other people.

And you can't say "well, they don't understand me" and then say nothing to them..

That is like saying that you are tired of being burned, and then you go and stick your hand in every fire you see.

Because then, you are the source of your own problems.

And a man will only go as far as you allow him to. If you are just kissing your boyfriend, and he puts his hand up your blouse, and you say nothing, then he will continue doing what he is doing.

If you don't say anything, then he will think that you like it and will continue.

If you tell him that you don't like it, and ask him to stop, then, if he is any kind of gentleman, he will listen.

But that is only if you speak up.
 
Yes true.

But, anyways, my reasons for sticking with my own race is that I'm not willing to make that extra (I'm too lazy to & would prefer to data within my race as it would save me lots of hassle in life) effort to understand the other person's culture & I'd choose an easier path for myself, with what I know best: the Chinese culture.
& You seem to say I'm wanting to stay with what I know & have known all my life.& Yes, I am close-minded in that regard,But, I can assure you, lots of Chinese women are like-minded about this.

& you're saying: what I find wrong
about White guys I can't say it, but
that doesn't help you or others understand what I feel about them & why I'm
so disguted by them & their actions
towards me, which is the whole point of this thread.

But yes, my point still stands:
interracial marriages & families fail
most often because of cultural/racial differences.

Since I'm not White myself, of course,
I'll judge them (White guys, I'm just
taking them as an example) by what they do & say
to me everyday.
 
You can have your opinions, as you are entitled to them but that doesnt make them facts.

If you don't want to be in an interracial relationship because you aren't willing to put forth the effort into understanding someone else, then that is on you. Keep in mind that understanding someone else is a key component to how relationships work, and it isn't limited to race, so if you arent willing to put up that effort with someone of a different race, then chances are you wouldnt be will to do so with someone of the same race.

But it does not give you the right to say that these relationships are doomed to failure. Just because you are too closed minded to see beyond the pinhole existence you limit yourself too, doesn't mean that others will do the same.

Especially since, you haven't any experience yourself.

Those who place value on the person they are with, as well as their relationship with them OVER their own ignorance is bound for success.

Those who place value on their own pinhole view of the world and their own ignorance is doomed for failure.

This is probably why there are more people of diverse backgrounds having more interracial and multi-ethnic marriages and offspring than in recent history.
 
How I am to overcome this if every other day, a White gropes me or whispers in my ear: "hey pretty or cutie". Am I going to think they're all creeps or sex-crazed about me or going to do something to me? Am I less likely going to trust
a White guy in a relationship (as you said for the Black
woman)? Yes.
& Am I going to willingly put myself
in this situation? No.

You say a man will only go as far as she tells him to, yet you said in another
thread that you can't understand why a
man doesn't understand when being told "no" by a girl/woman. You've contradicted
yourself here.
 
Here is an article listing the top ten reasons for divorce. It is funny how racial and cultural differences didn't make it. I wonder why.

http://www.yourtango.com/experts/yourtango-experts/top-causes-divorce-expert

Here is another 5. Again neither race or culture are mentioned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/divorce-causes-the-top-5-_n_3113551.html

Culture was mentioned here, on a list of reasons for divorce from around the world, but it is number 7 on a list of 1-10. Infidelity was number 1. So it looks like culture isn't the top reason there either.

http://truthfromallovertheworld.blogspot.com/2011/09/top-10-reasons-for-divorce.html
 
As my point on FP should be granted about cheating in a
couple.
& as I don't know the White man enough, I of course,
won't trust him to be faithful & loyal to me. & I'll more likely trust an Asian
man to be because I know my own culture
better than the White man's.

I know I sound very very close-minded about White males, but I know so little about them & their culture apart from what I see on tv, hear on news & read/in articles/personal blogs
about such relationship.

& I'm afraid to compromise my own life
& happiness with one, that's my real fear/concern about them. & Hence why I
turned down many.
 
I did not contradict myself. If my husband and i are fooling around and i tell him to stop, he will do so.

And as much attention as i get from men in general, they don't touch me. They will look and compliment me, but they dont touch me.

Why? Because i have respect for myself and it shows. That is the impression I give off about myself and as a result, men sit back and take notice.

I have news for you, like attracts like. If all you get is attention from sleazy types, then there is something about you that you are putting out there that attracts them to you.

If you have no respect for yourself, then anyone you attract won't have any respect for you either. That will change, when you change, and even THAT isn't isolated to race.

If any man touches you then you break his fucking hand or you try your best to do so. By you not sticking up for yourself you are validating the stereotype he may have about Asian women being weak.

And no, there is no point to be granted because infidelity was always a reason for divorce. It just wasn't isolated to race like you attempted to.

And there is definitely no point granted because whether or not cultural differences played a rol in divorce wasn't up for debate either, just whether or not interracial/cultural differences were the leading cause of divorce, which, I have aptly proven was not the case.

And that is the problem right there. The media is a horrible thing to go by. I even mentioned that in earlier posts.

The media is sensationalized bullshit that is on the corporate dime who's sole purpose is to divide the masses.

Hell by using the media to stereotype White or men of other races, you are doing the EXACT thing that the men who have an Asian fetish do.
 
What if I don't want them to be attracted to me?
What do I do...? If I want to be single
but men keep being attracted to me?
Keep finding me "hot" when I don't
want them to?

My problem/dilemma here is: I can only
marry a Chinese man (per my parents' wishes/at my parents' request) & therefore I don't wanna hurt other men's feelings... or give them false hope about me.

Or I don't want them to be sad because of me.
 
I get that it is within your culture to respect your parents. It is within mine as well, but the fact of the matter is that you are a grown woman. It is your life. You have the right to live how you see fit because it is your life.

My parents at least understand that much, and while they didnt always agree with my choices in life, they wanted me to be happy. As long as I was happy, they were happy.

Now I would think that any good parent would love their child unconditionally and want them to be happy in life and respect their decisions as long as they were happy.

But if my parents were like yours then I would come to that conclusion myself. At the end of the day, my parent's lived their lives the way they wanted and it is time for me to do the same. If they are on board with that, great. If not, then that is not going to stop me from living my life. Sometimes you have to do what makes you happy because if you don't then you will only go through life miserable.
 
Who says so? You & I don't have the same definition nor
the same views on personal happiness. In the Chinese
culture, as you know, the child must comply to their
parent's wishes or satisfy their every expectations or are supposed to sacrifice themselves to live up to repay their kindness in raising them up.

So hence why I cannot love a White man, even those who
have expressed their attraction to me.
All around me never married/nor even dated a White guy.
the child would have disappointed his/her parents' by doing so.
 
What i am saying is that all children must listen to their parent's. But when you become an adult, it is when your wishes are the ones that have to be complied.

You stop being a kid at 18. When you have a job and are supporting yourself without help from your parent's then you are a full-fledged adult and should have the freedom to live your life as you see fit.

If you are still living with them then, yes, you do have to play by their rules, it if you are on your own then you are on your own and you get to play by your own rules.

Having respect for your parent's does not, and should not condemn a person to a life of slavery. Otherwise, they might as well keep you locked in a dungeon your entire life.

If a parent truly loves their child, then they would want them to be happy even if they don't always agree with their child's decision.

We have no more control over who our heart chooses anymore than we can choose our skin color.

So if, hypothetically you fell in love with a man of another race, and he was perfect in every way and treated you like a queen, and your parent's didnt approve and your parents wanted you to marry an Asian man who treated you like shit, beat you and cheated on you constantly and you knew that if you married him, he'd probably kill you, who would you choose?

The man that treated you like royalty and your parents hated him, or the man that your parents approve of and treats you like shit and would probably kill you.
 
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